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Using a "dirty wire"

Posted By Marc Webb, 19 hours ago
"Using a dirty wire"
Long and short, working in a new hospital as a corporate employee after closing my practice,
getting used to a new environment, unfamiliar staff, different assortments of balloons, wires,
grafts, suture, drains - the whole man-from-the-moon routine. One of my first cases was a
patient I'd known since 2005 who managed to get her graft removed for infection during my 9
month transition period. With the left side healing and out for the short-term at least, I planned
a right arm fistula or graft depending on intraoperative ultrasound and venography.
Ultrasound demonstrated a played-out cephalic vein, but a reasonable median antecubital/
basilic system over 5mm. I put in a sheath, and found a nice basilic vein up to the axillary,
where it disappeared into a tangle. Not to be deterred, I worked a Kumpe catheter up by slow
degrees using a 40 cm destination long sheath, recanalizing the axillary, subclavian, and right
innominant clear to the SVC. This process took over an hour. Dilated with a 4mm low-profile
balloon (the only thing that would pass), then an 8mm balloon. The result was a very ratty
channel ruptured somewhere in the upper axillary vein without much progression of injected
dye flow. "Must place stent". 
Now here is the problem - Viabahn stents available in this OR are only in a 0.018 wire
platform, and the only 0.018 wire is 260 cm long. We place the wire, then remove the exchange
catheter. In the process, the long 0.018 wire slumps off the upper side of the arm board and
OR table - not to the ground I thought, but below the drape "skirt" and it is "contaminated",
according to the vigilant C-arm operator. If I pull the wire, I am fairly sure I will never be able to
pass through the damaged territory again, especially with a ruptured axillary vein, and I will
either have to lose this opportunity to place a right arm access, wait a long time for the other
arm to heal, plan a femoral graft, or keep the patient on a permacath. Or I can wipe the wire.
I thought the risk of actual infection was very low - the patient had received Vanco, and I
wiped the wire with a saline 4 x 4, then a dilute betadiene solution, then saline again.
The moment I passed another catheter to the central end of my obstruction we pulled and
discarded the wire, but the damage was done - I had used a "dirty wire" in the mind of
whoever submitted the criticism.
So what would a "prudent operator" do in this unfortunate situation? I have already asked
for a shorter 0.018 wire.
 


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Using a "dirty wire"

Posted By Marc Webb, 19 hours ago
"Using a dirty wire"
Long and short, working in a new hospital as a corporate employee after closing my practice,
getting used to a new environment, unfamiliar staff, different assortments of balloons, wires,
grafts, suture, drains - the whole man-from-the-moon routine. One of my first cases was a
patient I'd known since 2005 who managed to get her graft removed for infection during my 9
month transition period. With the left side healing and out for the short-term at least, I planned
a right arm fistula or graft depending on intraoperative ultrasound and venography.
Ultrasound demonstrated a played-out cephalic vein, but a reasonable median antecubital/
basilic system over 5mm. I put in a sheath, and found a nice basilic vein up to the axillary,
where it disappeared into a tangle. Not to be deterred, I worked a Kumpe catheter up by slow
degrees using a 40 cm destination long sheath, recanalizing the axillary, subclavian, and right
innominant clear to the SVC. This process took over an hour. Dilated with a 4mm low-profile
balloon (the only thing that would pass), then an 8mm balloon. The result was a very ratty
channel ruptured somewhere in the upper axillary vein without much progression of injected
dye flow. "Must place stent". 
Now here is the problem - Viabahn stents available in this OR are only in a 0.018 wire
platform, and the only 0.018 wire is 260 cm long. We place the wire, then remove the exchange
catheter. In the process, the long 0.018 wire slumps off the upper side of the arm board and
OR table - not to the ground I thought, but below the drape "skirt" and it is "contaminated",
according to the vigilant C-arm operator. If I pull the wire, I am fairly sure I will never be able to
pass through the damaged territory again, especially with a ruptured axillary vein, and I will
either have to lose this opportunity to place a right arm access, wait a long time for the other
arm to heal, plan a femoral graft, or keep the patient on a permacath. Or I can wipe the wire.
I thought the risk of actual infection was very low - the patient had received Vanco, and I
wiped the wire with a saline 4 x 4, then a dilute betadiene solution, then saline again.
The moment I passed another catheter to the central end of my obstruction we pulled and
discarded the wire, but the damage was done - I had used a "dirty wire" in the mind of
whoever submitted the criticism.
So what would a "prudent operator" do in this unfortunate situation? I have already asked
for a shorter 0.018 wire.
 


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Using a "dirty wire"

Posted By Marc Webb, 20 hours ago

Long and short, working in a new hospital as a corporate employee after closing my practice, getting used to a new environment, unfamiliar staff, different assortments of balloons, wires, grafts, suture, drains - the whole man-from-the-moon routine. One of my first cases was a patient I'd known since 2005 who managed to get her graft removed for infection during my 9 month transition period. With the left side healing and out for the short-term at least, I planned a right arm fistula or graft depending on intraoperative ultrasound and venography.
Ultrasound demonstrated a played-out cephalic vein, but a reasonable median antecubital/basilic system over 5mm. I put in a sheath, and found a nice basilic vein up to the axillary, where it disappeared into a tangle. Not to be deterred, I worked a Kumpe catheter up by slow degrees using a 40 cm destination long sheath recanalizing the axillary, subclavian, and right innominant clear to the SVC. This process took over an hour. Dilated with a 4mm low-profile balloon (the only thing that would pass), then an 8mm balloon. The result was a very ratty channel ruptured somewhere in the upper axillary vein without much progression of injected dye flow. Must place stent. 
Now here is the problem - Viabahn stents available in this OR are only in a 0.018 wire platform, and the only 0.018 wire is 260 cm long. We place the wire, then remove the exchange catheter. In the process, the long 0.018 wire slumps off the upper side of the arm board and OR table - not to the ground I thought, but below the drape "skirt" and it is "contaminated", according to the vigilant C-arm operator. If I pull the wire, I am fairly sure I will never be able to pass through the damaged territory again, especially with a ruptured axillary vein, and I will either have to lose this opportunity to place a right arm access, wait a long time for the other arm to heal, plan a femoral graft, or keep the patient on a permacath. Or I can wipe the wire.
I thought the risk of actual infection was very low - the patient had received Vanco, and I wiped the wire with a saline 4 x 4, then a dilute betadiene solution, then saline again. The moment I passed another catheter to the central end of my obstruction we pulled and discarded the wire, but the damage was done - I had used a "dirty wire" in the mind of whoever submitted the criticism.
So what would a "prudent operator" do in this unfortunate situation? I have already asked for a shorter 0.018 wire.
 


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Posted By Abigail Falk, Wednesday, August 13, 2025
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Clotted Forearm Graft

Posted By Administration, Wednesday, November 20, 2024

Clotted forearm graft with compression at the venous side of graft when examined with sono, patient had marked  venous stenosis and hx of profuse bleeding from cannulation sites prior to clotting.  What are your thoughts?


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Catheter exchange with sheath and filling defect at SVC

Posted By Martin Gorrochategui, Friday, October 25, 2024
Catheter exchange with sheath and filling defect at SVC
Thoughts?

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Percutaneous AVF Code 36837 Denials

Posted By Karn Gupta, Thursday, September 19, 2024

We have had several denials from Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) for WaveLinQ pAVF creation code 36837. Their denial reason is "code is not covered as procedure is considered investigational. The members policy does not cover investigational services".

 

We have appealed all of the denials with extensive comments/resources/literature (including it being an official CPT code, Medicare/Medicaid covering it, etc) but they have upheld their denial every time.

 

Anyone else having similar issues? How else can we handle such denials?

 

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Billing for Inpatient Consult for Vascular Access

Posted By Fernando Ariza, Monday, August 26, 2024

Hi Everyone: 

  I am working both general OP and Inpt Nephrology and doing Procedures in the hospital.  I've seen that the Vascular Surgeons do a Consult on the patients they get asked to do procedures and obviously do a separate procedure note. This is an opportunity to bill for 2 services and it actually is useful so one gets to know the patients and anticipate particular issues and avoid complications, i.e. having had a device in the past on either neck, sensitivities to moderate sedation , review labs etc 

  However If they place a consult for me - not my own patient I'm rounding on - I don't think there can be 2 nephrology inpatient consults, and I wouldn't think that we can do a consult as Vascular Surgery as we are Not.  so the Question: 

  a) Is there a code for Interventional Nephrology inpatient or for that matter outpatient consultations ? 

  b) Is there anyone else facing this issue and how are you addressing it ? 

 

Thanks 

 

Fernando 

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