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AV access and axillary LN dissection

Posted By Antoine Samaha, Wednesday, June 8, 2022

Fellow ASDIN members,

In the last 20 some years of my IN career, I have come across few patients with AV accesses created intentionally or unintentionally ipsilateral to axillary LN dissection (+/- XRT, often associated in this case with axillary vein stenosis). The outcome was (unanimously) the development of arm swelling, namely significant lymphedema, leading (with only 1 exception in my experience) to the ligation of the access. Some entertain the option of a "low flow system". I have not seen that work... 

Logically speaking, an ipsilateral HeRO graft, should not lead to the same outcome (from the severity standpoint), since it is bypassing the outflow veins/drainage system of the ipsilateral UE. I assume, there is still a concern of developing central vein stenosis from the outflow component of the HeRO graft, but I don't see that being a major deterring factor. 

I came across a situation like that today, the patient has an occluded right innominate vein and widely patent left sided central veins (left UE venogram was not performed) where an extensive axillary LND was performed. A left IJV TDC was placed and I am exploring the option of a HeRo on that side.

Has anyone done that? What was the outcome?

Thx

Tony Samaha, MD

Cincinnati, Ohio

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Sayee Sundar Alagusundaramoorthy says...
Posted Wednesday, June 8, 2022
Why not inside out/recanalize occluded right BC and HeRo on that side?

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Martin Gorrochategui says...
Posted Wednesday, June 8, 2022
patients with mastectomy and nodule removal can have a access placed on the ipsilateral side, as long as the veins are open. Wonder if the patient you mentioned with the swelling, was angioplasty done with or without stent placement.
The second patient will have the same response to the Hero as it it’s having now with the left tunnel catheter,
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Martin Gorrochategui says...
Posted Wednesday, June 8, 2022
patients with mastectomy and nodule removal can have a access placed on the ipsilateral side, as long as the veins are open. Wonder if the patient you mentioned with the swelling, was angioplasty done with or without stent placement.
The second patient will have the same response to the Hero as it it’s having now with the left tunnel catheter,
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Antoine Samaha says...
Posted Wednesday, June 8, 2022
Thank you both for your input.

Sayee,
I am not sure if inside/out on the right + HeRo makes more sense than doing Hero on the left using the newly placed TDC…

Martin,
In my experience, those that had access with underlying extensive axillary LND, had lymphedema in the absence of venous outflow stenosis. The ones that had axillary vein stenosis, tended to have XRT too. And yes, those did undergo angioplasty…, however, this doesn’t help much with lymphedema and majority required ligation of their access... I am wondering about your experience on this (and others on this forum) and how many patients have u seen without lymphedema (in the setting of extensive LND and ipsilateral arm access)?
I know we can create an access on anyone with an artery and a vein (including patients with LND), the question boils down to potential complications and how we deal with them. I am not sure if I can reassure a patient in this setting, that things are going to be fine…
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Martin Gorrochategui says...
Posted Wednesday, June 8, 2022
Absence of lymphedema does not complicate access placement, agree lymphedema will be a hindrance for ipsilateral access placement,
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Martin Gorrochategui says...
Posted Wednesday, June 8, 2022
Absence of lymphedema does not complicate access placement, agree lymphedema will be a hindrance for ipsilateral access placement,
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Thierry M. POURCHEZ says...
Posted Thursday, June 9, 2022
After a breast cancer surgery, and with no lymphedema, I prefer to create an access on this side.
In France, the breast surgeons ask the women to protect the limb from any risk of trauma, and even the measure of blood pressure is forbidden!
Thus the veins are perfect and it is the best side to create a fistula. On the other side, it is not uncommon to discover destroyed veins.
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